RE: The costs of spiritual faith

From: Brian Peterson (petersonbj@central.edu)
Date: Fri Aug 26 2005 - 12:06:07 CDT

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    What an interesting question...

     

    I would agree with Antony's distinction; salvation and God's love can be
    construed as a "free lunch" because they come without cost. Spiritual
    faith is a scarce resource, especially from a human perspective. The
    faith comes not from the Higher Power, but from us as humans, who are,
    pardon the expression, human. There is a limit to our own faith,
    whether we choose to accept that proposition or not, and therefore an
    increasing cost of that faith. If there weren't, then we wouldn't have
    martyrs (or people who back down before becoming martyrs).

     

    Brian

     

     

    Brian Peterson

    Department of Economics

    Central College

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    From: Antony Davies, Ph.D. [mailto:antony@antolin-davies.com]
    Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:55 AM
    To: 'Jose J. Vazquez'; tch-econ@elon.edu
    Subject: RE: The costs of spiritual faith

     

    I'm not sure that "faith" is the proper example. Faith is a human
    response to the Divine. The "free lunch" is salvation -- the Divine gift
    to humans.

     

    Taking the Christian perspective, if one believes that Jesus died for
    our sins, then salvation is indeed a free lunch. While good works can be
    a natural response to one's acceptance of salvation, good works are not
    a requirement (i.e. price) for salvation.

     

     

    Antony Davies, Ph.D.
    Research Fellow, Mercatus Center Capitol Hill Campus
    Assistant Professor of Economics
    Donahue Graduate School of Business
    Duquesne University
    Pittsburgh, PA 15282

    http://www.business.duq.edu/faculty/davies

     

     

            -----Original Message-----
            From: Jose J. Vazquez [mailto:vazquezj@uiuc.edu]
            Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:18 PM
            To: tch-econ@elon.edu
            Subject: The costs of spiritual faith

            I always introduce the principle of "No free lunch" in my intro
    classes by challenging students to come up with resources they think are
    not scarce (and hence violate the principle). Of course I always get
    the usual suspects, air, water, space, etc, all of which are pretty
    straightforward to explain their scarcity. Nevertheless, from time to
    time I usually get some pretty interesting ones for which the
    explanations are not so clear cut. One of the most interesting
    students' suggestions of unlimited resources is spiritual faith (some
    students usually say God's love too). I usually use the following three
    main arguments to try to convince students that spiritual faith does not
    violate the principle:

            1. Faith might not be considered a resource per se, but a
    payment of some sort and in this sense it doesn't apply. This
    explanation is usually not very well received.
            2. There is an effort (perhaps time) associated with having
    faith, or enjoying the benefits of spiritual faith. This argument
    usually creates heated debates as some students always argue that having
    faith requires no real effort and the benefits are unlimited.
            3. If spiritual faith were in fact free, then everybody
    would be a believer and had spiritual faith. Obviously this is our
    beloved "cash on the table principle", usually our last resort. But as
    it turns out this is usually the most persuasive argument.

             

            Nevertheless, I still would like to hear what other explanations
    might be out there. I think I still can do a better job at
    conceptualizing the real cost of having spiritual faith. As well as
    some of the other interesting ones I get from time to time, among them
    "God's love", and "unconditional love from another person".

             

            Cheers

            Jose

             

             

            Jose J. Vazquez-Cognet, PhD

            Department of Economics

            University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

            Urbana, IL 61820

            (217) 265-0682

            (217) 333-7664

             



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